Ruckus – January 16, 2020

Ruckus – January 16, 2020

January 22, 2020 0 By Kailee Schamberger


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our weekly food for thought fight from left to
right and the center over the news of the day and the trends
of the times I’m Mike Shanin Ruckettes join me shortly our
topics this week expanding reducing and searching Kansas
Medicaid may be expanding Mike Pompeo is reducing the
likelihood of a Senate campaign and the city
council is searching for a new city manager plus of course
roasts and toasts but we start with our newsmaker segment and
welcome the chief of the Kansas city Missouri fire department
Donna Maize chief Maize has been a long time city employee
serving in a variety of positions including assistant
city manager she joined her father on the fire department
in nineteen ninety two and recently became the first woman
fire chief in Kansas city history chief Maize
congratulations and welcome to ruckus thank you thank you for
having me so what prompted you to become a firefighter is it
because of your father’s involvement in that profession
you know I I think I grew up
with the fire service and I got to
see you know the enjoyment and the service that he was able to
provide and really my last semester of college I kept
debating with myself of did I want to go do a normal you nine
to five kind of routine or did I want to be more adventurous
in my life and so my last semester of college I literally
made the decision and went to the written exam to become one
to become on the fire department when you joined the
fire department in nineteen ninety two were you the only
woman on the department no not at all and I at that time I
think we had about thirty thirty two women on the fire
department so very very small number of females on the fire
department that how many women are on the fire department
today Oh gosh I think we’re at about it’s about fourteen
percent of our total amount of first responders and so I’m
guessing about hundred fifty so do women firefighters do the
same jobs as men ah women firefighters do yes and you we
have a variety of people that you know we have some single
role paramedics and EMTs but
then we also have dual role cross
trained firefighters and and females that are just strictly
firefighters I mean it’s obvious that one of the things
firefighters do is fight fires but you have other
responsibilities as well right right and you know we are
responsible for all of the advanced life support transport
in the city and ALS and BLS services and but back up right
so BLS is basic life support so you that’s you know
anything that doesn’t require an IV or those sorts of
medicine medications but then advanced life support are
really your transports to for traumas and and
more critical illnesses and heart attacks and those sorts
of things you rescue cats from trees ah well we try to avoid
doing that when we can but yes I mean we do all kinds of a
variety of calls for service when we hear a lot about the
violent crime rate in Kansas city the high homicide rate we
know that affects law enforcement police department
does it also affect the fire department oh it it
certainly does it does in variety of ways of course were
responding in with KCPD on those
you know homicides and you know where were able to you know if
it’s if it’s somebody that’s just been shot or injured in
that way and of course we’re doing that the advanced life
support care and and getting them to hospitals quickly as we
can but really the impact on our respondents as in the sense
of having to see those traumas over and over and over again
just like for KCPD responders as it’s it has an impact on on
everybody as the chief do you still go to the scene of fires
I do on occasion yet yeah we have a really good staff and
and I’ve got shift deputies that
go to the larger events but if it’s a third alarm or larger
fire or some other type of significant event it can be a
large HAZMAT spill or a certain type of the rescue
operation that I would go to those scenes do you kind of
walk a tight rofe a tight rope as chief of the fire department
on the one hand you’re part of the city administration on the
other hand you I’ve been a firefighter and represent
firefighters do you have to walk a tightrope I’m for me I
think the the best part about me as a fire chief and me as a
public servant is the fact that I’ve had that time in you know
as assistant city manager as you’ve stated earlier where
I’ve been able to build relationships and be able to
bridge that gap between your city and the fire department
fire department is a city department but you know it’s
it’s such a unique service that
we provide that it’s oftentimes
kind of separated from the rest of city hall a final question
for you do TV shows and movies depicting the lives of
firefighters accurately I think I think there’s a lot of truth
and and some of the things you see in those shows it’s always
hard I you know for cameras and film that be able to really
show what it a true fire scene looks like I mean they out
obviously have to have that visibility when they’re inside
of a structure you know oftentimes in fires in you
can’t see further than your hand in front of your face but
um I think some of the de depictions around
station life and and those sorts of things and that
there’s some truth in real camaraderie develops definitely
definitely chief it’s good to be true thank you very much for
coming and come back and see us alright well I appreciate you
having me up that is Kansas city Missouri
fire chief Donna Maize now let’s meet the panel and start
a ruckus Alana Roethle is executive
director of the nineteenth amendment centennial Terry
Riley is a former councilman now heads transformation
consultants attorney Jim Heeter also is a former councilman and
senior executive at the chamber of commerce Dave Trabert is CEO
of the Kansas policy institute two Kansas two
Missourians two Democrats two Republicans and a friendly host
what more could you want welcome to all of you
news is tough to predict who would have predicted that the
twenty twenty Kansas legislative session would begin
with the Medicaid expansion plan backed by democratic
governor Laura Kelly and Johnson County Republican Jim
Denning the Senate Majority Leader a long time critic but
the two have come together with a plan that would make Kansas
the thirty eighth state to adopt a Medicaid expansion part of
the affordable Care Act known as obamacare Senate approval is
virtually assured however it’s not so certain
that the GOP controlled house will back the deal so how do we
get to a point with Kelly and Denning reaching a compromise
we’ll last a question to Dave what compromise Mike this is
full blown Medicaid expansion and it’s not what that’s not
what voters want we just conducted a public opinion poll
recently that showed fifty six percent of voters don’t want
Medicaid expansion when you ask them how do you want to pay for
it it changes the dynamics fifty six percent say don’t do
it find other ways to make healthcare more affordable
twenty two percent the next highest said if you’re going to
do it reduce spending and that’s course that’s not what
they’re doing there was also one compromise
might of been work requirements because again seventy one
percent of voters including a majority of moderates and
liberals say they support work requirements but that’s not
what this bill does either it’s just not what the public wants
would there be different requirements under Medicaid
expansion for people who receive Medicaid
what are the requirements any different than for regular
Medicaid the differences under under this bill would only be
who qualifies and that’s under the federal with who qualifies
would be the childless non disabled adults under a hundred
thirty eight percent of poverty so you could have a family of
four making thirty eight thousand five hundred thirty
five dollars and still qualify for Medicaid expansion you you
could and unfortunately well I guess fortunately many of those
people already have coverage fifty four percent of the
eligible adults in Kansas are estimated already have private
coverage and then there’s also a little over twenty thousand
adults who would be eligible who are getting it from the
health care they’re getting premium so if you haven’t
already why would you want to take part in Medicaid expansion
exactly cost the and well
there’s that would you pay less well you
might pay less but you might pay
you also will get arguably less
coverage because now you’re only going to go to doctors who
take Medicaid well there may be Medicaid expansion in Kansas
Jim do you think there’s any likelihood in Missouri I think
it’s very unlikely I think it’s is it on the ballot the near
term if it happens which it very
well could through the initiative
process I think if Missourians put it on the ballot it will
pass it will pass overwhelmingly I think it’s
unlikely to come through this particular Missouri legislature
and this particular governor you know it’s interesting when
you asked at the at the top of
this question who would have
predicted I had to think back a little over a year ago and this
Ruckus program but for Laura Kelly had elected governor of
Kansas you asked if there was any chance that because of her
involvemnt with the Kansas state Senate and the Democrat or
Republican support she had when she ran for governor that there
would be cooperation between Democrats and Republicans in
Topeka and I predicted there
would be on this specific issue and
partly because of Kansas legislature had previously
voted in favor of Medicaid expansion governor Brownback had
vetoed it but tip of the hat to the governor Kelly and to
Senator Denning and others
involved for getting to this compromise
and to you for being clairvoyant
are you clairvoyand also do make
predictions about what’s going to happen with Medicaid
expansion in Kansas well I talked to a member of the
legislature today to find out where they were I think you’re
dead on the Senate will pass it but the house is the big
question wellthere’s been twenty
two co-sponsors of the bill and their are only
forty people in the Kansas
Sanate I believe yeah and and I believe
is good for Kansas and I think it is particularly good for
some of the rural hospitals that are struggling financially
for those in those some of those and those people are
hospitals picking up the the Kansas side of it well that
depends on what type hospital that’s part of the skin only a
bandaid right those places are inevitably going to go
under anyway and this just prolongs it this isn’t fair to
people with the misinformation going out we talked about how
people are not they’re already being covered under other
plans they have subsidies already if they’re at that
level all this does is flood Medicaid and in the program
so that people who are able bodied are getting this program
and this was initially put together for disabled people
and now those disabled people are going to be pushed to the
back of the line for somebody who can get insurance elsewhere
and Mike this isn’t going to help rural hospitals even Laura
Kelly admits that this isn’t going to really do anything for
rural hospitals an independent study shows that they they
might get a few thousand dollars I mean these are
company ah hospitals that are losing millions or tens of
thousands hundreds of thousands of dollars it won’t help them
let me rephrase that out of I was speaking of health clinics
you know health centers like you have Swope Parkway health
centers I’m talking about centers like that will benefit
I was wrong on the hospital front but those type will
benefit I want to ask a final
question for this section Alana what else is
of major importance Kansas legislature be examining this
session you know I don’t know how much else they will be
because they did and ah the school tax and things last year
on this particular session we will be talking about abortion
and abortion an amendment for that so I think that would be
the biggest things and KAPERS is dead on a rival tax cuts
aren’t republicans going to be talking about tax cuts again
this year well since we are spending way more than we’re
bringing in I think all you’re going to see a tax increase and
I know governor Kelly talked about reducing sales tax on
food that was something she said during the campaign is that
a likelyhood this session you know it’s interesting of
the the push on sales tax on food is is lost I mean they’re
still strong support for it but the the fervor has has died
back a little bit I think there will be discussion of of how to
legally do the remote sales tax governor Kelly and her revenue
department illegally are doing that according to the US
Supreme Court if you read those opinions carefully and I think
that will be an effort to Republican led effort to do
that appropriately but not to use the money to spend more
maybe to buy down the food or some other sales tax all right
going to
move on there is a perception that the mayor of Kansas city
Missouri is the principal decision maker in local
government that is not true in the council manager form used
by Kansas city Missouri the mayor is one of thirteen
council members with a couple of additional powers the real
power is often centered in the city manager and elected
administrator and that explains why the current council is
taking steps to ensure that its members play a key role in
selecting the next manager the post is open following Troy
Schulte’s retirement and moved to a similar job in Jackson
County government a council committee headed by veteran
councilwoman Kathryn Schields has reached a deal with mayor
Quinton Lucas over the search for candidates and the selection
of a new manager so Jim what is the deal it is a good one I
think it is a good deal and I think it bodes well for the
relationship between the mayor Lucas and the city council and
the incoming city manager who ever he or she turns out to be
you know and and Kansas city Missouri city manager form of
government is a tri-legged stool
you have to have a good mayor a
good council good city manager and everyone has to
work together what would you agree that a lot of the power
is centered in the city manager not the mayor well alot of
administrative power but alot of leadership power comes in the
bully pulpit of the mayor’s office and the council
with with seven votes can always override or or move
something forward the manager
works for thirteen people not one that’s
correct it’s so one of the most important qualities and
qualifications of any city manager is to be able to count
the seven and they consistantly do that if he
want to have longevity in that
position Terry you two were on the city
council do you think this plan is a legitimate one that the
council mayor have carved out
and will proceed and find us a
good city manager absolutely ah former mayor Kay Barnes
and I early on there was a lot of
talk that the mayor will make
the decision by
herself I got together with Kay
and we use the entire council to interview the candidates and
we came up with a good manager and so I believe this process
is the right process and the one thing that you always have
to get to is seven so I think it’s a way to bring the council
together come up with a good person that could deal with the
issues that the council’s faces well Alana the mayor is the
face of city government in
kansas city Missouri should he or she have
more control over who is the city manager and I think it
needs to be fair and it needs to be on a joint effort I don’t
necessarily think the mayor needs more control
Jim there’s speculation and only speculation that the city
council at least some of the
council and the mayor are looking for a minority
female to be city manager because it would be a milestone
event first time a woman city manager we interviewed the first
woman fire chief today on ruckus do you think that’s
part of the plan I don’t but wouldn’t use the word plan Mike
I think there are certain members of the council maybe
even the mayor who believe that would be a desirable
outcome having said that I am absolutely confident that the
mayor and the council are looking for the best person to
do the job which is the way it should be Dave what attributes
should the council mayor be looking for in a perspective
city manager I think this has to come down to qualifications
the most qualified person with a successful track record of
providing good quality services at the most efficient price
possible so you can you can get the service you need but not by
raising taxes you have to strike the right balance you
need service all other things being equal it’s it’s fine to
head to look at different kind of is it gender
or race based or whatever but the first qualification must be
capability to do the job what attributes should they look for
in a city manager well someone that
like Terry Riley yes someone like me but
the city’s facing some extreme challenges as it relates to the
budget so we need someone with the background in public
finance because some of the deals that we’ve gotten into we
we need to refinance some of these loans some of these TIF
projects but someone that is a consensus builder as well and
they can have all the qualifications but if you can’t
bring your thirteen bosses together to come up with a
consensus I believe that is just didn’t
it’ll be a waste of time but the mayor according to the
charter can select three people and offer it to the council but
the mayor said look I don’t want to do that I want to bring
the council together so I tip my hat to the mayor and
the chief of staff and Jim finally the new city manager
should probably have some academic training a masters of
public administration I I think you’re probably virtually every
candidate who will be considered seriously for this will have
that why people get masters in public administration so they
could be considered so to make a lot of money as city manager
someday former Kansas wish I had former Kansas congressman
and now secretary of state Mike Pompeo never said publicly
that he would run for the US Senate in fact he often said he
would not he told reporters he planned to stay as secretary of
state as long as president trump wanted him there yet it
was big news recently when Pompeo told Senate GOP leader
Mitch McConnell what he has said publicly for months he’s
not running news reports about Pompeo’s statement included
this caviot he might just be saying he’s not running and has
until June to actually file for the campaign so why is there so
much interest in Pompeo and whether he is or is not
running for the Republican nomination in Kansas for the US
Senate in twenty twenty we’ll start with Alana then we’ll
hear from Terry so the reason there is so much interest in
Pompeo is because he’s arguably the number two most
powerful man in the world you look at someone like that who
was on the news all the time you’ve got name recognition and
he’s doing a wonderful job personally I’d like to see him
run for president in twenty
twenty four right so people see that
and they think he can beat anyone in and I agree so I
think that’s why people are interested in him and I think
that’s why there’s been so much activity since he’s decided and
declared he’s not running to Mitch McConnell Terry is that
the right answer no I’m not impressed with him no but is her
answer the right answer it’sthe right answer for her
but I I mean quite frankly I’m not impressed with Pompeo I
think he should stay there and and just I don’t think Kansas
he he’s just gotten on the extreme to me on the extreme
side of of the right he he’s not willing to
ah ah, You’re not afan No I’m not a fan
I’m not say in and I and I believe
he just needs to retire after he gets out of as secretary Dave
there’s a lot of confidence that if Pompeo ran he
could win is there not right is there that confidence
in any other Republican who’s in
the race now I think it’s fair to say
that part of the reason there’s so much confidence in Pompeo
is there’s less confidence in some of the other
candidates it’s critical that we get
someone to win in this seat could come down to flipping
control of the U. S.
Senate right now Kris Kobach is the
front runner in the polls and he already has a track record
of losing to a Democrat in Kansas and and a lot of folks
conservatives say he did that to himself and there’s a lot of
fear that he would do it again Pompeo um
I’m with Alana on this I Pompeo’s a terrific guy he’s
he’s whip smart I think one of the things that whether you
agree with him or not the main he’s a man of principle and
that is a rarity in politics these days but Jim I make notes
of things you say on previous programs as you do and I’ve
heard you speak very positively about Barbara Bollier who
is the nominee presumptive for the Democratic Party in the
Kansas Senate race in twenty twenty she’s now raised over a
million dollars setting a record for democratic nominees
if she is the nominee and it looks like she will be what
key points will she be talking about I’ve got a couple
of things and and you’re right I have spoken and very positively
about the Dr Barbara Bollier before I think once you asked
me on this on this program Mike if I’d ever supported or voted
for Republican and I said yes and gave her as an example she
she was a Republican as she was a Republican at the time and
I’ve known for many years including our our membership in
the same church and she would be what you would call in the
past a progressive Republican she was a terrific member of
the state house in the state Senate she switched parties for
reasons I think that are well known I think she will be
a very formidable candidate I think she will stick to issues
like healthcare I think she will stick to issues that appealed
to Kansans state wide I think she will run very strongly
particularly in Johnson County where there are a lot of votes
to be cast in part because she is a moderate Republicans in
the eyes of of many but also she lives in Johnson County a
very nice part of Johnston
county it’s Mission Hills actually boy
if she tries to run on her record
though our freedom index had her thirty seven percent lifetime
in in what’s the freedom index
the freedom index measures
legislators votes and that thirty seven percent rating
means that sixty three percent of the time she voted against
constitutional principles she voted against student focused
education and she voted for tax increases so Alana would
Republicans be smart to nominate a woman to run against
Bollier like Susan Wagle you know I
think Bollier has experience and some things
and her priority is going to be healthcare and those issues
that you’re talking about but she hasn’t practiced medicine
in over twenty years you know I think that things have been
happening in healthcare lately have come in the last ten years
the last five years htese are things that were constantly
need to be up to date working on I’d rather see a candidate
um you know a candidate like Amanda Atkinson in Kansas three
who has all those years of experience in lowering costs I
mean I think that’s would make
Bollier a lot more interesting in in
her experience and her as a candidte and Senator Bob Dole
has backed Roger Marshall who is also a Dr and now it is time
for roasts and toasts where the ruckettes have thirty seconds
each to agitate motivate or exaggerate
don’t take that personally we begin with Jim I wasn’t talkng
about you
Mike I love to have the
opportunity appear on the on the ruckus
panel my good friend John
Sherman and the ownership group that he
represents has finalized the purchase of the Kansas City
Royals I would like to toast John Sherman and that ownership
group I think it’s terrific for not only John and the group
but particularly for the Kansas
City Royals and for Kansas city to have
local ownership I’m not predicting a hundred win season
by any means but on the other hand I think we can look to the
long term future of the Kansas
City Royals as an important cultural
institution of this community and so a toast to John
Sherman and his ownership group we’ll make note of that Alana
Well in light of all the healthcare news lately my
roast goes to those creators of the affordable Care Act and
Medicaid expansion so I I heard it told to me like this The
Affordable care act it crippled
you broke your leg and gave your crotch
and said you’re welcome that is a toast from a very very wise
woman Beverly Gossage who has been leading the fight for
Kansas and healthcare for several years now
alright Dave A toast to the dozens of brave
parents in the blue valley school district even though
fearful of retaliation from district administrators they
went public with frustration over their children being denied
services for dyslexia which is a reading disability federal
law entitles students with dyslexia to receive extra
services and as the Kansas city star wrote these parents
courage should prompt frenetic action by the district Terry
yes I would like to toast senator Kiki curls from Kansas
city Missouri ninth district she has been appointed by the
governor to serve on the labor relations board she’s been a
long time public servant to Kansas city so today I would
like to toast her and finally for some
inexplicable reason my wife gave me a calendar titled
senior moments for twenty twenty
there are appropriate thoughts for each day like this one from
mark Twain age is an issue of mind over
matter if you don’t mind it doesn’t
matter and that is ruckus for this
week we’re back next Thursday at seven and now for the Ruckettes
and the crew Mike Shanin saying thanks for watching and
goodnight