The National for Monday, Nov. 18 — Hong Kong’s prolonged standoff; Cancer rate up in young Canadians

The National for Monday, Nov. 18 — Hong Kong’s prolonged standoff; Cancer rate up in young Canadians

November 19, 2019 0 By Kailee Schamberger


(*)>>Adrienne: TONIGHT, IN AN INCREASINGLY VIOLENT HONG KONG, DIRE WARNINGS FROM POLICE.>>Andrew: AND DESPERATE MOVES FROM STUDENT PROTESTERS.>>>WE’LL LOOK AT THE DANGEROUS ROADBLOCKS AHEAD.>>THAT DAY WAS A BLUR.>>Adrienne: A NEW STUDY ABOUT CANADIANS WITH CANCER. WHY IS THERE A RISE IN YOUNGER PATIENTS?>>Andrew: YOUR TELEVISION CONTENT IS RICHER THAN EVER. YOU CAN AFFORD IT?>>Adrienne: AND ON HER 80th BIRTHDAY A TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE WITH MARGARET ATWOOD. WHAT A WEIRD QUESTION.>>Adrienne: THE WINNER OF “THE TESTAMENTS,” THE WINNER OF THE BOOKER PRIZE, DOES NOT HOLD BACK.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>Andrew: AN UNKNOWN NUMBER OF PROTESTERS ARE HOLED UP INSIDE OF HONG KONG POLYTECHNIQUE UNIVERSITY, SURROUNDED BY POLICE, RUNNING OUT OF SUPPLIES AND OPTIONS.>>Adrienne: AND GLOBAL AFFAIRS TOLD US TONIGHT THAT CANADIANS, QUOTE “ARE AFFECTED BY THE STANDOFF AT THE UNIVERSITY.” NOW THE FRONTLINE OF HONG KONG’S PROTEST MOVEMENT. IT’S NOW TUESDAY AND THE SPOKESMAN SPOKE AND LAYING DOWN HER TERMS FOR A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION.>>THEY HAVE TO STOP VIOLENCE, GIVE UP THEIR WEAPONS, AND COME OUT PEACEFULLY AND TAKE THE INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE POLICE.>>Adrienne: SO CARRIE LAM, LONG A LIGHTNING ROD FOR PROTESTERS, ALSO DESCRIBED THEM AS “RIOTERS.” A SIGN THAT LENIENCY IS NOT IN THE CARDS. WITH ESCAPE UNLIKELY IT SEEMS THAT THE CHOICE FOR PROTESTERS IS BETWEEN ARREST AND SOMETHING MUCH WORSE. GREG RASMUSSEN TRACKS THE STANDOFF.>>Reporter: FOR SOME IT WAS A BREAKING POINT. AFTER BEING BARRICADED INSIDE OF ONE OF HONG KONG’S UNIVERSITIES FOR DAYS, THIS GROUP SURRENDERED. OTHERS HOPING TO AVOID ARREST TRIED SOMETHING DARING AND DANGEROUS — LOWERING THEMSELVES TO WAITING RESCUERS WHO TOOK THEM AWAY BY MOTORCYCLE BEFORE POLICE SHUT IT DOWN. IT HAD BEEN A NIGHT OF CHAOS.>>[speaking foreign language]>>Reporter: POLICE STORMING THE UNIVERSITY BEFORE BACKING DOWN.>>I’M NOT SURE, MAYBE I WILL DIE, I WILL GET ARRESTED. BUT, ANYWAY, WE WILL TRY TO FIGHT HERE AND THEN WE WON’T LET THE POLICE GET US AGAIN.>>Reporter: AUTHORITIES SAY MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE WERE INJURED AND AN UNKNOWN NUMBER REMAIN BARRICADED INSIDE. THE U.S. WHICH HAS LARGELY AVOIDED CRITICISING BEIJING…>>THEY MUST HONOUR THE HONG KONG PEOPLE WHO WANT THE FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES THEY HAVE BEEN PROMISED.>>Reporter: CHINESE OFFICIALS QUICKLY RESPONDED, WARNING AGAINST FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN HONG KONG AFFAIRS. IN CANADA, THESE STUDENTS FROM HONG KONG VOICED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE PROTESTERS AND WORRY ABOUT FRIENDS AND RELATIVES.>>THERE IS VIOLENCE CONDUCTED BY CERTAIN PROTESTERS THAT I DO CONDEMN. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY WOULD DISREGARD THE ENTIRE FREEDOM. I THINK THAT FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ARE ALWAYS WORTH FIGHTING FOR.>>Reporter: THIS STUDENT LEADER BELIEVES THAT MOST OF THE PUBLIC IS BEHIND THE PROTESTERS DESPITE THE INCREASE IN VIOLENCE AND PROPERTY DAMAGE.>>PROTESTERS HAVE NOT BEEN LOSING PUBLIC SUPPORT BUT ACTUALLY GAINING MORE PUBLIC SUPPORT IN LIGHT OF THE INCREASING POLICE BRUTALITY.>>WE ARE FEARFUL FOR THE WORST.>>Reporter: THIS CHINA EXPERT SAYS THAT IT’S A CRITICAL TIME AND FEARS ESCALATION.>>NO ONE HAS THE ANSWER. IT IS DEEPLY WORRISOME BECAUSE NO ONE CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING.>>Reporter: WHAT STARTED ON THE STREETS IS NOW SHUTTERED PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITIES WITH NO END IN SIGHT. GREG RASMUSSEN, CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER.>>Adrienne: SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE POCKETS OF PROTESTERS ESCALATING AROUND THE WORLD. AND PARTICULARLY WORRYING TONIGHT IS WHAT’S HAPPENING IN IRAN. THE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD HAS ISSUED A WARNING TO PROTESTERS — STOP OR FACE SO-CALLED DECISIVE ACTION. [CHANTING] NOW MUCH OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IS UNCLEAR, BECAUSE OVER THE PAST 60 HOURS OR SO, THE GOVERNMENT HAS IMPOSED A NEAR TOTAL INTERNET BLACKOUT. THESE VIDEOS SHARED ONLINE ARE UNVERIFIED. STATE MEDIA SAYS THAT THE PROTESTERS SET FIRE TO BUILDINGS AND VEHICLES AND NOW REPORTS SEVERAL DEATHS AND THOUSANDS OF ARRESTS. ALL OF THIS UNREST BEGAN ON FRIDAY AFTER THE GOVERNMENT INTRODUCED A 50% HIKE IN THE PRICE OF GAS.>>Andrew: WELL, IF YOU’VE GOT A PHONE YOU HAVE LIKELY BEEN INUNDATED BY SCAM CALLERS. WELL, TODAY A DENT PERHAPS IN HOW MANY CALLS THEY CAN MAKE. POLICE IN INDIA HAVE MOVED IN ON A CALL CENTRE THERE, ARRESTING DOZENS OF PEOPLE THEY SAY THAT WERE TARGETING CANADIANS. DAVID COMMON TELLS US MORE.>>Reporter: INDIAN POLICE RARELY ACT AGAINST THESE SCAM CENTRES, BUT SAY THEY DID SO RAPIDLY THIS WEEKEND, TWEETING THEY HAD ARRESTED 32 PERSONS FOR EXTORTING MONEY FROM PEOPLE IN CANADA. OVER THE PAST YEAR, CBC “MARKETPLACE” HAS DOCUMENTED NUMEROUS PHONE-BASED SCAMS OPERATING FROM INDIA.>>[indiscernible]>>Reporter: THOSE MOST RECENTLY ARRESTED ARE FOR IMPERSONATING SERVICE CANADA OFFICIALS. INSISTING THAT A SOCIAL INSURANCE NUMBER HAS BEEN COMPROMISED AND UP TO $20,000 IS OWED. SOME CANADIANS HAVE PAID. BUT THE DANGER DOESN’T END THERE.>>THE MORE INFORMATION THAT SOMEBODY HAS ABOUT YOU, YOUR NAME, YOUR DATE OF BIRTH AND YOUR SOCIAL INSURANCE NUMBER, IDENTITY THEFT IS A HUGE RISK FOR PEOPLE.>>Reporter: INDIA POLICE SEIZED AUTOMATIC PHONE DIALERS AND SCRIPTS THAT THE SUSPECTS WOULD READ AS PART OF THE SCRAM. IT WAS IN PART TRIGGERED THEY SAY BY ONE CANADIAN NATIONAL WHO HAS BEEN DUPED OF $13,500 THROUGH THIS SCAM, HAS LODGED A COMPLAINT AGAINST THESE CHEATS. WHEN WE VISITED INDIA, A FORMER SCAMMER TURNED WHISTLEBLOWER SHOWED US HOW CRIMINAL ELEMENTS CAN EASILY PURCHASE CANADIAN NAMES AND NUMBERS FROM LEAD LISTS SOLD ONLINE.>>YOU HAVE INBOUND LEADS AND THAT BASICALLY MEANS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CALL, THIS IS KNOWN AS A GOLD LINE OF DATA.>>Reporter: EVEN WITH ONE SCAM CENTRE NOW SHUTDOWN, THE CALLS SO MANY THAT CANADIANS ARE FAMILIAR WITH ARE LIKELY TO CONTINUE. IT’S A PROFITABLE BUSINESS AND MANY ARE IN IT.>>Andrew: OKAY, SO, DAVID, LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE HERE, HOW SIGNIFICANT WAS THIS RAID?>>Reporter: WELL, SIGNIFICANT IN THE SENSE THAT THESE RAIDS DON’T ACTUALLY HAPPEN THAT OFTEN BY INDIAN AUTHORITIES BUT NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT IN THAT IN INDIA IN PARTICULAR THERE ARE LIKELY DOZENS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THESE KIND OF SCAM CENTRES JUST ANECDOTALLY WE’RE SEEING CALLS GOING OUT TO CANADIANS, PEOPLE I KNOW. AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT’S RELATIVELY EASY TO DO THIS AND IT’S GETTING EASIER BECAUSE OF THE TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED. AND THERE’S MONEY — BIG MONEY — AND SO AN INCENTIVE FOR THOSE CARRYING IT OUT TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.>>Andrew: DAVID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Reporter: THANK YOU.>>Andrew: THERE’S NEW WORRY TODAY ABOUT SOME CANCER RATES IN THIS COUNTRY. ACCORDING TO A NEW STUDY THEY’RE RISING IN CANADIANS UNDER THE AGE OF 50. VIK ADHOPIA LOOKED INTO WHY THAT MIGHT BE.>>Reporter: THERE’S NO SHORTAGE OF TREATS FOR DES THE CAT SINCE HE MAY HAVE SAVED HIS OWNER’S LIFE. WHEN HE CLIMBED OVER ANDREA RITTLE FOUR YEARS AGO IT LED TO A LIFE-CHANGING DISCOVERY.>>HE STEPPED ON MY CHEST AND IT REALLY HURT. SO I WAS RUBBING MY BREAST AND THAT’S WHEN I FIRST FOUND THE LUMP.>>Reporter: ALARMED, SHE HAD IT CHECKED OUT. BUT SHE WAS JUST 30 AT THE TIME. SO AT FIRST SHE WAS MET WITH DISBELIEF.>>I WAS ASSURED THAT I WAS TOO YOUNG FOR CANCER AND THAT IT WAS PERIOD CYSTS.>>Reporter: A BIOPSY CONFIRMED HER WORST FEAR. WITHIN WEEKS SHE HAD A DOUBLE MASTECTOMY. RITTLE IS PART OF A DISTURBING TREND OF YOUNGER CANCER PATIENTS. WHILE CANCER RATES HAVE BEEN GRADUALLY CLIMBING IN WOMEN UNDER 80, WOMEN BETWEEN 30-39 HAVE SEEN THE SHARPEST INCREASE IN THE MOST COMMON CANCERS — IT’S A SIMILAR TREND FOR MEN. OVERALL CANCERS OF PEOPLE UNDER 50 MAKE UP ABOUT 10% OF CASES. RESEARCHERS SUSPECT THAT EARLIER SCREENING COULD EXPLAIN THE YOUNGER AGES BUT THEY’RE WORRIED ABOUT THE TYPES OF CANCER ON THE RISE.>>MANY OF THE CANCERS THAT ARE INCREASING IN THIS UNDER 50 AGE GROUP ARE RELATED TO EXCESS WEIGHT. SO CANCERS LIKE COLORECTAL CANCER AND THYROID CANCER AND ENDOMETRIAL CANCER, PANCREATIC CANCER AND THEY’RE INCREASING IN THE YOUNGER POPULATIONS.>>Reporter: THE STUDY DOESN’T PROVE CAUSE AND EFFECT, BUT THE CANCER RISKS OF BEING OVERWEIGHT HAVE LONG BEEN KNOWN. THIS ONCOLOGIST SAYS THAT EARLIER SCREENING MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER.>>WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO RETHINK FIRST LINE PHYSICIANS ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, GETTING A FAMILY HISTORY OFTEN HELPS US TO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY AT RISK OF FAMILIAL CANCERS. THEN WE CAN DIRECT THOSE TO SCREENING EARLIER.>>Reporter: FAMILY HISTORY FOR ANDREA WHITTLE, BUT UNLIKE HER GRANDPARENTS AND AUNT, EARLY DETECTION MEANT THAT SHE’S THE FIRST IN HER FAMILY TO HAVE SURVIVED. VIK ADHOPIA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: IT’S BEEN NEARLY THREE YEARS SINCE MILITARY VETERAN LIONEL DESMOND SHOT AND KILLED HIS WIFE, DAUGHTER AND MOTHER BEFORE TURNING THE GUN ON HIMSELF. AN INQUIRY INTO THOSE DEATHS WAS ABRUPTLY ADJOURNED TODAY AT THE REQUEST OF HIS IN-LAWS. THEY TELL KAYLA HOUNSELL THAT THEY THEMSELVES NEED HELP.>>Reporter: THE BORDERS ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO KEEP GOING DAY TO DAY. BUT THEIR FAMILY HOME WHERE THEY STILL LIVE IS ALSO THE SITE OF THEIR FAMILY TRAGEDY.>>THIS IS WHERE THEY WERE LOST, YEP.>>Reporter: THIS WAS THE SCENE AT THEIR HOUSE NEARLY THREE YEARS AGO. THEIR DAUGHTER AND 10-YEAR-OLD GRAND DAUGHTER SHOT AND KILLED BY THEIR SON-IN-LAW. HE ALSO SHOT HIS OWN MOTHER BEFORE TURNING THE GUN ON HIMSELF.>>IN MY MIND I’M WONDERING WHERE WERE THEY? IF I’M IN THIS ROOM I’M WONDERING WHAT PART OF THE ROOM WAS MY GRAND DAUGHTER LYING IN. LIKE I KNOW THAT SHE WAS LEFT IN THIS ROOM.>>Reporter: THEIR SON, ALSO IN THE MILITARY, BELIEVES THAT NATIONAL DEFENCE SHOULD HELP HIS PARENTS TO RELOCATE AND WANTS TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE INQUIRY.>>YOU CANNOT BE DOING THE HEALING PROCESS IF YOU’RE TRAPPED IN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT WHICH DESTROYED YOU. YOU WILL NEVER BECOME WHOLE AGAIN.>>Reporter: THE INQUIRY’S MANDATE IS TO DETERMINE THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE DEATHS. IT WILL EXAMINE WHETHER LIONEL DESMOND HAD APPROPRIATE ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. WHETHER HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUY A GUN. AND WHETHER HIS HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS WERE TRAINED TO RECOGNIZE OCCUPATIONAL STRESS AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. IT’S A FATALITY INQUIRY, AND NOT A PUBLIC INQUIRY, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WON’T ASSIGN LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY.>>I HOPE THEY CAN TRY TO FIND A WAY THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO ANYBODY ELSE.>>Reporter: THE BORDENS ASKED FOR THE DELAY TODAY TO GIVE THEIR NEW LAWYER TIME TO PREPARE. THE JUDGE AGREED, NOTING THE VOLUME OF EVIDENCE.>>WE SHOULD NOT FEEL PRESSURE TO GET STARTED WITH THE EVIDENCE. WE SHOULD SIMPLY FEEL PRESSURE TO GET IT RIGHT.>>Reporter: BUT DESMOND’S SIDE OF THE FAMILY IS DISAPPOINTED.>>I BELIEVE THAT THE LONGER THAT WE WAIT IS ANOTHER DAY THAT WE LOSE A VETERAN. AND WE NEED TO GET CLOSURE AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT NEVER GETS EASY AM.>>Reporter: THEY ALL HOPE THAT THIS INQUIRY WILL HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT WRONG SO THAT OTHER VETERANS GET THE HELP THEY NEED.>>GAME OVER.>>Reporter: KAYLA HOUNSELL, CBC NEWS, NOVA SCOTIA.>>Adrienne: TODAY THE U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SAID THAT HE WILL STRONGLY CONSIDER TESTIFYING AT HIS OWN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. IN TYPICAL FASHION HE USED THE SAME TWEET TO CALL THE WHOLE THING A HOAX. PAUL HUNTER HAS MORE.>>Reporter: IT CAME AS A KIND OF AN OFFHAND ASIDE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP FROM THE MOST SENIOR DEMOCRAT ON CAPITOL HILL, AND, BOY, IS IT TANTALIZING.>>THE PRESIDENT COULD COME RIGHT BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND SPEAK ALL THE TRUTH THAT HE WANTS.>>Reporter: AN APPARENT OFFER FROM THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE FOR TRUMP TO TESTIFY AT HIS OWN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. TRUMP’S TWEETED RESPONSE THIS MORNING — “I LIKE THE IDEA AND WILL STRONGLY CONSIDER IT.” THE VERY THOUGHT IS ENOUGH TO TURN WASHINGTON ALL BUT UPSIDE DOWN. STILL, TRUMP HAS MADE THAT KIND OF SUGGESTION BEFORE.>>Reporter: WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SPEAK UNDER OATH TO — TO GIVE YOUR VERSION –>>President Donald Trump: 100%.>>Reporter: JUNE 2017, ASKED IF HE’D BE INTERVIEWED ON ASPECTS OF SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION INTO RUSSIAN MEDDLING IN THE LAST ELECTION AND TRUMP SEEMED GAME.>>Reporter: ROBERT MUELLER WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU –>>President Donald Trump: I’D BE GLAD TO TELL HIM EXACTLY WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU.>>Reporter: BUT A FEW MONTHS LATER, NOT SO MUCH.>>President Donald Trump: WHEN THEY HAVE NO COLLUSION AND NOBODY HAS FOUND ANY COLLUSION AT ANY LEVEL IT SEEMS UNLIKELY THAT YOU’D EVEN HAVE AN INTERVIEW.>>Reporter: ULTIMATELY AND ONLY AFTER MUCH NEGOTIATING, TRUMP GAVE STRICTLY WRITTEN ANSWERS TO SOME WRITTEN QUESTIONS. WORTH NOTING — EVEN THOSE ANSWERS HAVE NOW THEMSELVES COME UNDER FIRE. TODAY WORD THAT DEMOCRATS WANT ACCESS TO SOME OF THE REDACTED BITS IN MUELLER’S FINAL REPORT TO HELP TO DETERMINE IF IN HIS ANSWERS TRUMP LIED. AND SO TO THE ONGOING HEARINGS AND TRUMP’S APPARENT WILLINGNESS TO TESTIFY. SAYS PELOSI, SHE’S OPEN TO IDEAS IN PERSON IF HE WANTS, OR –>>HE COULD DO IT IN WRITING. HE HAS EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT HIS CASE.>>Reporter: IN FAIRNESS, IT’S LIKELY A LONGSHOT. BUT FOR THE RECORD, SUGGESTS PELOSI, THE DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE HIM ANYWAY THEY COULD GET HIM. PAUL HUNTER,CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Adrienne: NOW STILL IN WASHINGTON, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS REVERSED A DECADES OLD POLICY ON ISRAEL.>>THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAELI CIVILIAN SETTLEMENTS IN THE WEST BANK IS NOT PER SE INCONSISTENT WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW.>>Adrienne: SO THAT HAS ENTOURIATED PALESTINIANS AND TODAY CANADA RESTATED ITS POSITION THAT IT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE PERMANENT ISRAELI CONTROL OVER TERRITORIES OCCUPIED IN 1967. THAT INCLUDES THE WEST BANK.>>>NOW REPORTS TONIGHT SUGGEST THAT U.S. PROSECUTORS COULD LAY CHARGES THIS WEEK AGAINST JEFFREY EPSTEIN’S PRISON GUARDS. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE FAILED TO MONITOR HIM WHEN IN AUGUST HE KILLED HIMSELF. THIS COMES AS PRINCE ANDREW ATTEMPTED TO EXPLAIN HIS TIES TO THE CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER. MARGARET EVANS LOOKS AT THE FALLOUT FROM HIS WEEKEND INTERVIEW WITH THE BBC.>>Reporter: CONDEMNATION PILING ON. PRINCE ANDREW PUT IN ABOUT EVERY BRITISH NEWSPAPER TODAY. THE WEEKEND INTERVIEW ABOUT HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN WIDELY CONDEMNED AS TONE DEAF, AND ILL-ADVISED.>>I THINK THAT IT’S A MISTAKE TO GIVE THESE INTERVIEWS AND, UNFORTUNATELY, UNLESS YOU’RE EXTREMELY CLEVER AT GIVING THE ANSWERS, YOU FALL INTO TRAPS.>>Reporter: IN THE INTERVIEW HE DENIED AS HE HAS ALL ALONG THAT HE HAD SEX WITH AN UNDERAGED GIRL AT THE LONDON HOME OF EPSTEIN’S FRIEND IN 2001.>>I DON’T REMEMBER MEETING HER.>>Reporter: BUT HIS EVERY COMMENT IS NOW BEING DISSECTED. PHOTOS LIKE THESE, FOR EXAMPLE, RELEASED TO DISPUTE THE PRINCE’S CLAIMS THAT HE COULDN’T HAVE BEEN SWEATING IN A NIGHTCLUB AS HIS ACCUSER HAS CLAIMED.>>I HAVE A PECULIAR MEDICAL CONDITION WHICH IS THAT I DON’T SWEAT — WELL, I DIDN’T SWEAT AT THE TIME.>>Reporter: ONE OPINION POLL TODAY FOUND THAT ONLY 6% OF THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY BELIEVE PRINCE ANDREW’S EXPLANATION.>>HE SAID THAT HE HAD NEVER MET THE WOMAN WHO MADE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HIM. BUT I’M PRETTY SURE THAT HE HAS.>>WHAT HAPPENED ON MY WATCH… IS THE CASE IS FALLING APART.>>Reporter: THIS LATEST CHAPTER COINCIDES WITH THE WORLDWIDE RELEASE YESTERDAY OF THE THIRD SEASON OF “THE CROWN.” IN THE REAL WORLD PEOPLE BELIEVE THE ROYAL FAMILY HAS TAKEN A HIT.>>IT DOESN’T REFLECT WELL ON THE ENGLISH ROYAL FAMILY.>>Reporter: THE ACCOUNTING FIRM KPMG, CONFIRMED THAT IT HAD PULLED ITS SUPPORT FROM PRINCE ANDREW’S PITCH AT PALACE SCHEME FOR YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS BEFORE THE INTERVIEW. NOW THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS THAT MORE PARTNERS COULD WITHDRAW THEIR SPONSORSHIP. NOT SURPRISINGLY, PERHAPS, WORD FROM THE PALACE TONIGHT WAS ESPECIALLY BRIEF. WITH SPOKESMEN SAYING ONLY THAT THE QUEEN WAS AWARE OF THE INTERVIEW. MARGARET EVANS, CBC NEWS, LONDON.>>Andrew: AND WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE NEWS. FROM NETFLIX TO DISNEY PLUS, WHY CUTTING THE CORD DOESN’T MEAN CUTTING PRICES.>>Adrienne: AND A CANADIAN TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE. I SIT DOWN WITH MARGARET ATWOOD FOR A CHAT ABOUT THEN AND NOW AND A MYSTERY FOR THE FUTURE.>>Ian: AND ANOTHER CAREER MILESTONE FOR HALLIE WICKENHEISER. THE HOCKEY STAR’S INDUCTION INTO THE HALL OF FAME, THE S>>Andrew: NETFLIX STARTED STREAMING IN CANADA LESS THAN 10 YEARS AGO, BUT SINCE THEN MORE AND MORE SUCH SERVICES ARE COMING ONLINE AND PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER YOU WANT TO WATCH IS RIGHT AT YOUR FINGERTIPS. EXCEPT AS KATIE NICHOLSON SHOWS US AND OF COURSE, AS YOU MAY VERY WELL KNOW FIRSTHAND, THERE IS A PRICE TO BE PAID.>>Reporter: SO YOU WANT A QUIET NIGHT IN. WITH ALL OF THE DIGITAL STREAMING SERVICES OUT THERE, WE HAVE NEVER HAD MORE CHOICE. YOU’VE GOT DISNEY PLUS, APPLE TV PLUS, BOTH OF WHICH JUST LAUNCHED THIS MONTH AND HAVE THEIR OWN ORIGINAL CONTENT THAT YOU CAN’T GET ANYWHERE ELSE. SO LET’S SAY THAT YOU SUBSCRIBE TO THEM BOTH BECAUSE YOU WANT ALL OF THE DISNEY MOVIES AND THE MARVEL SUPERHEROS AND THAT NEW JENNIFER ANISTON SHOW. FOR BOTH IT’S ABOUT $15 A MONTH, PLUS TAX. BUT YOU’VE ALSO SUBSCRIBED TO THAT OLD STANDBY, NETFLIX, THAT’S $9.99 AND YOU LOVE THAT SHOW ON AMAZON PRIME AND THAT’S $7.99 AND YOU CAN ONLY WATCH THAT SHOW ON ANOTHER, AND THAT’S $7.99. AND UNLESS YOU WANT HBO WHICH IS ANOTHER $9.99 AND SPORTS. THERE’S ONE THAT LETS YOU WATCH SPORTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, $20. AND TSN, ANOTHER $20 ROUGHLY. AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ALL OF THE HOCKEY AND SUBSCRIBE TO NHL LIVE AT $29.99, SO EACH MONTH YOU’RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $123. THAT IS CLOSE TO THE COST OF ONE OF THE TOP-TIERED CABLE PACKAGES FROM ONE OF THE MAJOR PROVIDERS, WHICH CAN PUT A BIG HIT ON THE FAMILY FINANCES.>>I THINK THAT THE KEY IS HAVING AN ENTERTAINMENT BUDGET.>>Reporter: RONA BEEERAMBAUM IS A FINANCIAL PLANNER AND SHE CUT THE CABLE BUT SUBSCRIBED TO CABLE FOR HER DAUGHTER AND ZONE FOR HER AND HER HUSBAND.>>I SEE THAT IT’S EASY TO START SUBSCRIPTIONS AND LESS EASY OR MORE DIFFICULT TO CANCEL SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT YOU’RE NOT USING.>>Reporter: SO IS THERE A FUTURE WHERE ALL OF THESE STREAMING SERVICES CAN BE PRESENTED UNDER ONE UMBRELLA FOR ONE PRICE?>>THERE’S AN APP FOR ANYTHING, OR FOR EVERYTHING. SO TO THINK ABOUT AN APP THAT WOULD BE LAUNCHED THAT SAYS WE’RE GOING TO STREAMLINE ALL OF THESE OTHER APPS THAT BRING YOU TELEVISION CONTENT, SEEMS LIKE IT’S SOMETHING THAT IS PROBABLY IN THE WORKS. IRONICALLY IT’S REALLY THE 21st CENTURY VERSION WHAT A CABLE BUNDLE WOULD HAVE BEEN.>>Reporter: TO WATCH ANY OF THE SHOWS ON THESE STREAMING SERVICES YOU HAVE TO HAVE HIGH-SPEED INTERNET WHICH IS ANOTHER COST YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN. KATIE NICHOLSON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: SO JUST LEAVE IT ON CBC ALL DAY.>>>OKAY, LET’S GO TO OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER WHERE IAN IS WATCHING STORIES FROM ACROSS CANADA.>>Ian: ANDREW, WE’RE FOLLOWING TWO STORIES TONIGHT WHERE THOUSANDS OF CANADIAN WORKERS COULD SOON WALK OFF THE JOB. FIRST IN ONTARIO, PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS HAVE VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOUR OF A STRIKE.>>WE WANT TO KEEP STUDENTS IN CLASSROOMS THAT ARE FUNCTIONAL. CLASSROOMS THAT ARE SAFE. CLASSROOMS THAT AREN’T BURSTING AT THE SEAMS.>>Ian: TEACHERS BACKED THE ACTION BY MORE THAN 95%. THE UNION, WHICH REPRESENTS 60,000 WORKERS, MUST GIVE FIVE DAYS’ NOTICE BEFORE ANY JOB ACTION. WAGES, CLASS SIZES, AND SUPPORT FOR STUDENTS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS ARE AMONG THE KEY ISSUES THAT THE TWO SIDES STILL DISAGREE ON.>>>MEAN WHILE, A STRIKE DEADLINE IS LESS THAN THREE HOURS AWAY AS THE NEGOTIATORS TRY TO AVOID JOB ACTION FOR SOME 3,200 C.N. EMPLOYEES. THEY WANT CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAY TO ADDRESS SAFETY AND SCHEDULING ISSUES. ANY POTENTIAL JOB ACTION WOULD INVOLVE FREIGHT TRAIN OPERATORS ONLY, WITH VIA PASSENGER TRAINS NOT LIKELY TO BE AFFECTED.>>>WOMEN’S HOCKEY SUPERSTAR HAILEY WICKENHAISER HAS NOW BEEN INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.>>WHAT MORE CAN YOU SAY ABOUT WHAT THIS YOUNG LADY HAS DONE. SHE HELPED TO PROVE THAT WOMEN NEEDED TO BE ON THE HOCKEY STAGE ACROSS THE WORLD.>>Ian: THE CAREER OF THE TRAIL BLAZING HOCKEY STAR WAS HIGHLIGHTED TONIGHT DURING THE INDUCTION OF THE 2019 CLASS. THE SASKATCHEWAN NATIVE RETIRED IN 2017, LEADING ALL CANADIAN WOMEN IN POINTS SCORED, AND WINNING FIVE OLYMPIC MEDALS.>>>AND A FIRST-TIME WINNER OF THE RICHEST LITERARY PRIZE. A BRAMPTON, ONTARIO, NATIVE TAKING HOME THE PRIZE.>>THE GILLER PRIZE IS…>>IAN WILLIAMS.>>Ian: WINNING THE $100,000 PRIZE FOR HIS NOVEL “REPRODUCTION.” SIX WRITERS WERE IN THE RUNNING FOR THE ANNUAL AWARD.>>>AND TAYLOR SWIT GETS TO SING HER OWN SONGS. THAT’S ONE OF THE STORIES THAT WE’LL UPDATE IN 20 MINUTES.>>Andrew: UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>EXPOSING AND FIGHTING ONLINE HATE. WHY A DATABASE MAY BE PART OF THE ANSWER.>>Adrienne: PLUS, A CANADIAN TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE WITH MARGARET ATWOOD ABOUT POLITICS AND THAT SECRET MANUSCRIPT. BUT COULD YOU THROW A GIRL A BONE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT’S ABOUT?>>NOPE, NOPE.>>Adrienne: NOTHING?>>NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. * HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU — DON’T SING… [laughter] * YOU WRITE SUCH GOOD BOOKS >>Adrienne: SO THAT WAS JANN ARDEN AT TONIGHT’S GILLER PRIZE GALA HONOURING MARGARET ATWOOD. SO FOR DECADES WE HAVE DEVOURED HER BOOKS AND TODAY IT’S OUR GIFT TO HAVE A CANADIAN TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE, AN INTERVIEW WITH THE AUTHOR WHO KEEPS ON SMASHING THROUGH THE BENCHMARKS. (*) IT HAS, OF COURSE, BROKEN A CANADIAN PUBLISHING RECORD BECAUSE IT IS, OF COURSE, “THE TESTAMENTS.” MARGARET ATWOOD’S SEQUEL TO “THE HANDMAID’S TALE.”>>LET’S GO, COME ON, FASTER!>>Adrienne: THAT BOOK WAS TURNED INTO A HIT DYSTOPIAN TV SERIES ABOUT A PLACE CALLED GILEAD WHICH IS A NEW NAME FOR PART OF A UNITED STATES AFTER A FASCIST RELIGIOUS TAKEOVER.>>IF I’M GOING TO CHANGE THINGS, I’M GOING TO NEED ALLIES.>>Adrienne: THAT SERIES SPARKED SO MANY QUESTIONS FROM VIEWERS AND READERS, THE POLITICAL ERA SEEMED SO RIPE, THAT ATWOOD WOULD HAVE TO WRITE THE SEQUEL. AND IN IT THERE’S HOPE THAT THE CRUEL RIGHTS SUPPRESSING REIGN ENDS.>>THIS IS MORE THAN A BOOK RELEASE, THIS IS A CULTURAL MOMENT.>>Adrienne: THE WORLD WANTED THIS BOOK. THE FRENZY — HARRY POTTERESQUE.>>I’M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.>>THE TWO WINNERS OF THE 2019 PRIZE FOR FICTION…>>Adrienne: ATWOOD CO-WINNING THE MAN BOOKER. BUT THE UNIVERSE ISN’T ALWAYS KIND, AS TO COUNTER THE HIGHS, IT DELIVERED A TERRIBLE BLOW. HER PARTNER AND GREAT LOVE, GRAEME GIBSON, DIED IN LONDON, ENGLAND, WHILE WITH ATWOOD TO CELEBRATE HER BOOK LAUNCH.>>I’M HAPPY TO BE HERE.>>Adrienne: SHE REMAINS BUSY, MAYBE NECESSARILY SO, BUT SHE FOUNFOUND TIME TO TALK AT THE LIBRARY IN TORONTO. I THINK LIKE A LOT OF CANADIANS I THOUGHT ABOUT YOU A LOT IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. AND I’M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU ARE?>>PRETTY STEADY. BETTER FOR ME TO BE OUT IN PUBLIC AND TO KEEP ON THE ROAD BUT, OF COURSE, IT WAS A SHOCK BUT WE KNEW THAT IT WAS COMING. SO FAMILY WAS PREPARED. I THINK THAT GRAEME HIMSELF PRETTY MUCH KNEW THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN PRETTY SOON. BUT WE HAD A VERY NICE 10 DAYS BEFORE THAT HAPPENED.>>Adrienne: TO BE SITTING IN HERE IS INTERESTING. IT’S BEAUTIFUL, I HAVE TO CONFESS AS SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN IN THIS CITY, RAISED IN THIS CITY, I’VE NEVER BEEN IN HERE BEFORE. I’M WONDERING IF YOU CAN TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TREASURES THAT ARE IN HERE THAT MATTER TO YOU.>>AMONG THE THINGS THAT ARE IN HERE ARE MY PAPERS, WHICH I DONATE TO THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO OF RECENT MONTHS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE BOXES OF NEWSPAPER AND MAGAZINE CLIPPINGS THAT I MADE AT THE TIME THAT I WAS WRITING “THE HANDMAID’S TALE.” SO THEY’RE GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT WHAT MIGHT HAVE INFLUENCED IT AND WHAT MIGHT HAVE PROMPTED IT, WHAT MIGHT I HAVE BEEN PUTTING INTO THAT BOOK FROM REAL LIFE.>>Adrienne: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE IN BOXES AND LIBRARIES, I HAVE TO CONFESS STAYING A BIT ENCHANTED WITH THE IDEA OF THIS MANUSCRIPT THAT IS IN A NORWEGIAN LIBRARY.>>THE FUTURE LIBRARY OF NORWAY. A FOREST THAT PLANTED IT WILL GROW FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. AND EACH YEAR OF THOSE HUNDRED YEARS, A DIFFERENT AUTHOR FROM AROUND THE WORLD WILL PUT A SECRET MANUSCRIPT — ONLY TWO COPIES — INTO THE FUTURE LIBRARY OF NORWAY.>>BE CAREFUL. [laughter]>>AND IN THE HUNDREDTH YEAR THE BOXES WILL ALL BE OPENED AND ENOUGH PAPER WILL BE MADE FROM THE TREES THAT WILL HAVE GROWN TO PRINT THE ANTHOLOGY OF THE FUTURE LIBRARY OF NORWAY. AND PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO READ AND PEOPLE WILL STILL BE INTERESTED IN READING. THOSE ARE A LOT OF HOPEFUL THINGS.>>Adrienne: SO I WON’T BE HERE.>>YOU THINK? MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY BY THEN.>>Adrienne: BUT COULD YOU THROW A GIRL A BONE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT’S ABOUT?>>NOPE, NOPE.>>Adrienne: NOTHING?>>NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, YOU HAVE TO SWEAR TO SECRECY. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IT’S MADE OF WORDS.>>Adrienne: ON “THE TESTAMENTS.” WHEN I READ IT THERE’S A MOMENT THAT I FEEL THAT I’M READING THE NEWSPAPER A LITTLE BIT. IT’S SO FAMILIAR. YOU KNOW, IS IT MAKING TOO MUCH OF A PRESUMPTION TO SAY THAT THE KICKSTART THERE WAS THE INAUGURATION OF DONALD TRUMP.>>NO, IT STARTED BEFORE THEN. BUT YOU COULD SEE IT COMING. AND YOU COULD SEE THE THINGS THAT THE REPUBLICANS HAD BEEN SAYING IN THE TWO ELECTIONS BEFORE THAT TIME. THE ONES IN WHICH OBAMA WON.>>Adrienne: WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS?>>WOMEN SHOULD BE SUBSERVIENT. IF A WOMAN IS CARRYING A DEAD BABY, SHE SHOULD JUST CARRY IT UNTIL IT COMES OUT, BECAUSE THEY’RE LIKE COWS. AND IT’S NOT REAL RIGHT IF A WOMAN HAS A BABY, BECAUSE IF IT’S RIPE, HER BODY SHUTS DOWN. TELL THAT TO BANGLADESH. JUST AN APPALLING AMOUNT OF IGNORANCE.>>Adrienne: WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE BOOK THAT MADE DOING THAT IMPORTANT IN THE FACE OF THESE SORTS OF CONVERSATIONS?>>FOR A LONG TIME WE SEEMED TO BE MOVING AWAY FROM GILEAD, ESPECIALLY IN THE 1990s RIGHT AFTER THE COLD WAR ENDED AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IT’S THE END OF HISTORY AND NOW WE’LL ALL GO SHOPPING. AND WE DID GO SHOPPING UNTIL 9/11. YES. THEN IT TURNED OUT THAT THERE WERE OTHER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IN ADDITION TO SHOPPING. AND THEN THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN. WHEN THERE’S UNCERTAINTY AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CHAOS, PEOPLE GET ANXIOUS AND FRIGHTENED. AND THEY’RE WILLING TO TRADE CERTAIN CIVIL LIBERTIES FOR SOMEBODY WHO WILL MAKE THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME. SO THAT’S WHAT INTERESTED ME AND IT ALSO INTERESTED ME TO GO BACK INTO GILEAD 16 YEARS LATER AND SEE HOW IT MIGHT HAVE BEGUN TO CRUMBLE. IT BEING MY BELIEF THAT THESE THINGS DO ULTIMATELY CRUMBLE IN SOME WAY.>>Adrienne: THERE’S A LOT THAT MAKES ME SMILE WHEN I READ “THE TESTAMENTS.” AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT CANADA IS SORT OF SEEN AS A SANCTUARY AND IT MAKES ME SMILE BECAUSE I THINK THAT A LOT OF CANADIANS PRESUME THAT’S WHAT THEIR COUNTRY IS.>>THEN IT ISN’T.>>Adrienne: RIGHT.>>WE ARE NOT GOING FROM IMPERFECT LAND TO PERFECT LAND. YOU’RE GOING FROM WORSE TO LESS WORSE.>>Adrienne: WHERE DO YOU SEE FRAGILITIES IN THIS COUNTRY, DID — YOU WERE ON THE ROAD FOR A LOT OF THE ELECTION. BUT DID YOU HEAR LANGUAGE, DID YOU HEAR CONVERSATIONS OR SPEECHES THAT SET OFF ALARM BELLS FOR YOU?>>OH, I THINK THAT THINGS GOT SOMEWHAT LESS CIVIL THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN PAST YEARS. BUT THAT’S BEEN HAPPENING ACROSS THE BOARD. AND CERTAINLY IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN ENGLAND, POLITICIANS HAVE BEEN TALKING IN WAYS THAT ONCE UPON A TIME THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE SPOKEN IN THOSE WAYS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED UNSTATESMAN-LIKE BUT THERE’S A BIG SIGNAL OF THAT KIND OF VULGAR LANGUAGE SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE. SO IT DOES HAVE A CHALLENGE.>>Adrienne: DOES THAT TONE FLOW NORTH?>>YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY — WASHINGTON HASN’T CALLED, OF COURSE IT FLOWS NORTH. IT IS A ONE-WAY MIRROR THAT WE’RE PRETTY MUCH GLUED TO.>>Adrienne: SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS DURING THE ELECTION THAT I FOUND KIND OF INTERESTING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THAT THESE WERE SETTLED ISSUES IN CANADA.>>THEY’RE NOT SETTLED ISSUES. THEY’RE SETTLED FOR NOW. THEY CAN ALWAYS BE REVERSED.>>Adrienne: DO YOU SMELL A BACKSLIDE?>>IN THIS COUNTRY? NOT SO MUCH. YOU’LL NOTICE WHO DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION, SO NOT SO MUCH, BUT ENOUGH THAT YOU SHOULD FEEL SOMEWHAT APPREHENSIVE.>>Adrienne: I NOTICED — I THINK THAT WE ALL SAW AT THE MAN BOOKERS THAT YOU WERE WEARING THE EXTINCTION REBELLION SHIRT.>>YES, I ABSOLUTELY WAS.>>Adrienne: WHAT DRAWS YOU TO THIS GROUP?>>THIS GROUP WAS STARTED BY YOUNG PEOPLE AND THERE’S A LOT OF THEM. THEY HAVE THE POWER TO MOVE THE POLITICAL NEEDLE BECAUSE ANY POLITICIAN WHO CAN COUNT MUST REALIZE THAT THEY’LL BE VOTING. AND IF THEY PAY NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER TO THIS PLANETARY-WIDE EVENT THAT HAS KILLED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ALREADY HAS, AND MAY ULTIMATELY FINISH OFF THE HUMAN RACE, IF THEY’RE NOT GOING TO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT, THIS LARGE THEY’RE NOT GOING TO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT, THIS LARGE BLOCK OF NEW VOTERS WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THEM.>>Adrienne: WHO INSPIRES YOU AT THE MOMENT? I MEAN, IN THIS GROUP, IT’S INSPIRING.>>YES, IT’S INSPIRING.>>Adrienne: BUT WHO ELSE INSPIRES YOU?>>OH,… HOW MANY DO I HAVE TO PICK?>>Adrienne: IT’S NICE THAT YOU HAVE SO MANY.>>NO, I DON’T.>>Adrienne: GRETA THUNBERG?>>YEAH. IN FACT, I JUST GOT HER LITTLE BOOKIE, WHICH I’M ABOUT TO READ. YES, SHE’S VERY INSPIRING AND I LOVE HER ANSWER TO PEOPLE WHO ARE PESTERING HER ABOUT HAVING ASPERGERS. SHE SAYS, IT’S A SUPERPOWER. GOOD FOR HER.>>Adrienne: I HADN’T PLANNED TO ASK YOU THIS BUT YOU’RE HERE AND I CAN’T HELP IT — THIS MONTH FOR YOU, NOVEMBER IN PARTICULAR, I GUESS THAT YOU HAVE –>>YOU MEAN THAT I’M GOING TO TURN 80?>>Adrienne: THERE’S THAT AND MY FRIENDS CALL IT A ROUNDY BIRTHDAY.>>A ROUNDY BIRTHDAY — IT HAS A ZERO AT THE END?>>Adrienne: CORRECT. I WONDER IF YOU AT THIS AGE COULD PULL A MUCH YOUNGER ONE OF YOU ASIDE AND SAY YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO KNOW WHAT’S COMING, WHAT TO WATCH FOR, WHAT TO ENJOY, WHAT I WISH THAT I’D BEEN TOLD, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL HER?>>WHAT A WEIRD QUESTION.>>Adrienne: I KNOW, I’M SORRY. [laughter]>>YOU DON’T GET THAT CHANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF LIVING LIFE IS NOT KNOWING. IF YOU KNEW EVERYTHING, IT WOULD BE QUITE A DIFFERENT PROPOSITION. IN FACT, IT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE MORE BORING, NUMBER TWO, MORE DEPRESSING. IT’S THAT ANTICIPATION OF NOT KNOWING WHAT’S IN THE BIG BOX WITH THE RIBBON ON TOP. YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALREADY KNEW IT WOULDN’T BE FUN.>>Adrienne: YOUR TIME AS ALWAYS IS HUGELY APPRECIATED.>>AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Andrew: WHAT A WEIRD QUESTION, ADRIENNE.>>Adrienne: I KNOW. [laughter]>>Andrew: BUT WHAT IT MUST HAVE FELT LIKE TO BE IN THAT ROOM. BUT THEN TO SEE HER NOTES, THAT IS A NEAT THING.>>Adrienne: THAT IS INTERESTING. I DIDN’T REALIZE THIS BUT CANADIANS, IF YOU FILL OUT THE RIGHT FORMS YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THOSE NOTES. IT’S INCREDIBLE TO SEE THAT PROCESS AT WORK. ALSO THE NOTES FOR “THE TESTAMENTS” ARE ABOUT TO BE IN THERE SOON AS WELL. SO IT’S A LITTLE CHUNK OF OUR HISTORY THAT IS IMPORTANT.>>Andrew: NEAT.>>Adrienne: COVERAGE OF MARGARET ATWOOD’S CAREER CONTINUES TOMORROW NIGHT ON THE DOCUMENTARY CHANNEL. THE FILM IS CALLED “MARGARET ATWOOD: A WORD AFTER A WORD AFTER A WORD IS POWER” AND THAT TITLE COMES FROM A LINE OF HER POETRY.>>>WHEN WE COME BACK, IT’S MORE THAN A MUSEUM. THE MESSAGE AND POLITICS BEHIND OTTAWA’S NEW INDIGENOUS CENTRE.>>Andrew: BUT, FIRST, HOW A CANADIAN>>Andrew: WHEN IT COMES TO SPREADING HATE ONLINE, WORDS ARE WEAPONS. OFTEN THE FIRST ONES USED BY PEOPLE WHO COMMIT VIOLENT ACTS OFFLINE. SO AS PART OF OUR ONGOING SERIES “EXPOSING HATE,” THOMAS DAIGLE SHOWS US HOW A TORONTO COMPANY IS TRYING TO STOP THE ONLINE HATE FROM SPREADING.>>Reporter: HATE-FILLED VIOLENCE OFTEN STARTS HERE ONLINE WITH WORDS THAT DEMONIZE CERTAIN PEOPLE. IN PUBLIC FORUMS WE FOUND VILE LANGUAGE STILL GOING UNCHECKED AND SOMETIMES WITH DEADLY CONSEQUENCES. CONSIDER THE SHOOTER AT THE EL PASO WALMART. THE KILLER AT THE CHRISTCHURCH MOSQUE. NOT TO MENTION THAT VAN DRIVER LAST YEAR WHO RAN DOWN PEDESTRIANS IN TORONTO. BEFORE TAKING INNOCENT LIVES THEY ALL SPREAD THEIR WARPED VIEWS ONLINE.>>I DON’T THINK…>>Reporter: ENTER TIMOTHY QUINN, FIGHTING HATE WITH ALL OF ALL THINGS, A DATABASE.>>WE’RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE ONE ACTIVE SHOOTER. WE’RE LOOKING FOR BROAD TRENDS AROUND LANGUAGE USED TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST GROUPS OF PEOPLE ONLINE. USED TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST GROUPS OF PEOPLE ONLINE. THIS IS WHAT WE DO…>>Reporter: HIS COMPANY “HATE BASED” STARTED HERE IN TORONTO AND HAS TEAM MEMBERS SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD. THAT CODE IS THEIR SECRET FORMULA. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT DIGS THROUGH THE WEB SEVERAL TIMES AN HOUR TO SPOT HATE SPEECH. ARE COMPUTERS BETTER AT THIS THAN HUMANS?>>NO, I THINK THAT HUMANS ARE BETTER AT IT THAN COMPUTERS, BUT IT’S A HORRIBLE JOB FOR A HUMAN BEING TO DO.>>Reporter: THE RESULT IS A GROWING LIST OF MORE THAN 3,600 WORDS, IN MANY LANGUAGES, SPOTTED IN MANY COUNTRIES. THE DATABASE IS GIVEN TO NON-PROFIT GROUPS AND SOLD TO SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES LIKE THE VIDEO-SHARING APP TIK TOK. EMPOWERING THEM TO TARGET POTENTIALLY HATEFUL USERS, BUT THAT CAN BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE IN THE EYES OF FREE SPEECH ADVOCATES.>>THE CONCERN COMES IN HOW IT’S BEING USED AND IF IT’S BEING USED TO REMOVE CERTAIN CONTENT OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN BLOCK CERTAIN PEOPLE FROM PARTICIPATING IN ONLINE DISCUSSIONS. ONLINE DISCUSSIONS.>>Reporter: TONY MACALERE HAS A PERSON HISTORY WITH THE LANGUAGE OF HATE. THE FORMER SKINHEAD RECRUITER, HE NOW SPEAKS ABOUT FIGHTING DISCRIMATION. HE WAS AMONG THE FIRST IN CANADA TO USE TECHNOLOGY TO SPREAD XENOPHOBIC MESSAGES, SO HE KNOWS ALL ABOUT THE CHALLENGE OF ROOTING OUT ONLINE HATE SPEECH.>>IT’S PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE AND THE GROUPS THEMSELVES WILL CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THEY’RE USING. SO YOU’RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH-UP.>>Reporter: INDEED, TAKE THIS SPELLING OF THE WORD “GAY,” WRITTEN THIS WAY TO CIRCUMVENT DIGITAL FILTERS. WE FOUND IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA SITES.>>WE’RE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING DATA AVAILABLE SO THAT ORGINISATIONS CAN UNDERSTAND THE SCALE OF THE PROBLEM.>>Reporter: IT’S AN ENDLESS BATTLE, DECIDING WHAT IS HATE SPEECH AND THEN STOPPING ITS SPREAD. THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: AFTER THE BREAK, IAN WIL>>Ian: WELCOME BACK TO OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER. THERE HAS BEEN A MULTIPLE SHOOTING OUTSIDE A WALPLART IN OKLAHOMA. A MAN AND WOMAN WERE IN THE FRONT SEATS OF A VEHICLE WHEN A GUNMAN APPROACHED AND HIT FIRE. HE THEN TURNED THE GUN ON HIMSELF. POLICE BELIEVE THAT ALL THREE KNEW EACH OTHER.>>>A NEW CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT IS FILED AGAINST BURGER KING. THEY WERE CLAIMING THAT THE IMPOSSIBLE BURGER DOESN’T LIVE UP TO ITS BILLING. THE LAWSUIT CLAIMS THAT THE PLANT-BASED BURGERS ARE QUOTE, “COATED IN MEAT BY-PRODUCTS SINCE THEY’RE COOKED ON THE SAME GRILL AS THE BEEF PATTIES.” THE COMPANY’S WEBSITE SAYS THAT A MEAT-FREE OPTION IS AVAILABLE.>>>AN UPDATE TO A STORY THAT WE BROUGHT YOU ON FRIDAY. TAYLOR SWIFT IS GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO PLAY HER OLD SONGS AT THE AMERICAN MUSIC AGREEN LIGHT TO PLAY HER OLD SONGS AT THE AMERICAN MUSIC AWARDS. * WE ARE NEVER TAYLOR SWIFT IS GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO PLAY HER OLD SONGS AT THE AMERICAN MUSIC AWARDS. * WE ARE NEVER, EVER, EVER AWARDS. * WE ARE NEVER, EVER, EVER * GETTING BACK TOGETHER >>Ian: LAST WEEK TWIST SAID THAT HER FORMER RECORD LABEL WOULDN’T LET HER PERFORM MATERIAL FROM HER FIRST SIX ALBUMS ON TELEVISION. TODAY THE LABEL SAID THAT ARTISTS DON’T NEED APPROVAL FOR LIVE PERFORMANCES AND THAT IT’S REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PRODUCERS OF THE A.M.A.s FOR THEIR ARTIST MATERIAL TO BE REBROADCAS>>Adrienne: WELCOME BACK. AN OLD STONE BUILDING IN THE HEART OF CANADA’S CAPITAL IS GETTING A SECOND LIFE AS AN EMBASSY FOR INDIGENOUS ORGINISATIONS. IT WAS DONATED BY THE PRIME MINISTER AS A SPACE FOR INDIGENOUS LEADERS TO MEET WITH ELECTED LEADERS. IT’S NOT OPEN YET BUT OLIVIA STEFANOVICH GOT A PEEK INSIDE.>>Reporter: STARING DIRECTLY AT PARLIAMENT STANDS THE ORNATE SHELL OF THE FORMER U.S. EMBASSY THAT IS BEING TRANSFORMED FOR A ELECTED LEADERS. IT’S NOT OPEN YET BUT OLIVIA STEFANOVICH GOT A PEEK INSIDE.>>Reporter: STARING DIRECTLY AT PARLIAMENT STANDS THE ORNATE SHELL OF THE FORMER U.S. EMBASSY THAT IS BEING TRANSFORMED FOR A DIFFERENT KIND OF DIPLOMACY.>>FOR FIRST NATIONS AND INUIT AND MÉTIS TO BE RECOGNISED AS A PART OF THE WORK THAT HAPPENS HERE ON PARLIAMENT HILL. AND WITHIN THE PRECINCT. IT’S A MASSIVE STEP FORWARD IN RECONCILIATION.>>Reporter: UNTIL NOW THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PARLIAMENTARY BUILDING DEDICATED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. NATAN OBED, THE LEADER OF CANADA’S INUIT, GIVES US A TOUR OF THE RENOVATIONS.>>THIS FIRST FLOOR WILL BE AN INTERPRETATIVE SPACE FOR INUIT AND MÉTIS TO SHARE OUR CULTURE AND OUR GOVERNANCE MODELS AND OUR VISION OF THE FUTURE WITH ANYONE WHO COMES IN.>>Reporter: ANYONE WHO COMES IN WILL GET TO LEARN ABOUT INDIGENOUS ART, STORIES AND HISTORY. BUT DON’T BE FOOLED BY THE DISPLAY. THIS ISN’T A MUSEUM.>>I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO MADE THESE ITEMS, THIS ISN’T FROM A LOST SOCIETY. THIS ISN’T FROM THE HISTORY PAGES. THAT’S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING FOR US AS WELL BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL DON’T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT OUR SOCIETY IS STILL ALIVE AND THRIVING TODAY.>>Reporter: UPSTAIRS IS PROOF OF THAT. A SPACE FOR NEWS CONFERENCES, WITH REMINDERS OF PRESSING SOCIAL ISSUES, PICTURES OF WOMEN IN RED DRESSES, SYMBOLIZING THE MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS LINE THE WALLS. LEADING INTO WHAT IS ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ROOM OF ALL. WHO DO YOU HOPE TO HOST IN THIS SPACE?>>I IMAGINE MEETING WITH CABINET MINISTERS AND MEETING WITH THE PRIME MINISTER AND MEETING WITH OTHER VISITING DIGNITARIES FROM OTHER NATIONS.>>Reporter: INDIGENOUS LEADERS USUALLY HAVE TO ARRANGE WORKSPACE ON PARLIAMENT HILL. IF THEY’RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND A PLACE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AIRPORT-STYLE SECURITY WHILE OTHER POLITICAL LEADERS ARE FAST TRACKED. BUT THE HOPE IS THAT WILL END ONCE THIS BUILDING OPENS.>>THIS ALLOWS FOR US TO REVISIT THE WAY IN WHICH INDIGENOUS LEADERSHIP IS RECOGNISED AND RESPECTED WITHIN THE PRECINCT.>>Reporter: BUT THE BUILDING SITS ON THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE ALGONQUIN ANISHINABEG NATION. THEY WEREN’T ORIGINALLY CONSULTED ON THE PROJECT. SHE SAYS THAT HER PEOPLE WILL BLOCK THE OPENING UNTIL THEY GET A SAY.>>I WILL CONTINUE PUSHING, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE WHERE WE BELONG AND THIS IS WHERE WE BELONG AS WELL. NOT ONLY THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS.>>Reporter: OBED SAYS THAT HE’S WILLING TO WORK WITH THE ALGONQUIN. HE WANTS TO HOLD AN EVENT HERE AS SOON AS NEXT MONTH IF THE OTHER PARTNERS CAN AGREE ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.>>THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WHERE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES CAN FEEL THAT IT’S OUR OWN SPACE, A SPACE TO WHERE WE KNOW THAT WE’LL BE WELCOME.>>Reporter: AND FINALLY, HE SAYS, TREATED AS EQUALS. OLIVIA STEFANOVICH, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Andrew: AND WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH OUR “MOMENT.” AND A LOOK AT HOW SOME OF YOU STARTED YOUR DAY. A SUNRISE GIVING TORONTONIANS WARMTH ON AN OTHERWISE GLOOMY DAY. (*>>Andrew: WELL, IT HAS BEEN A GLOOMY, SNOWY NOVEMBER IN TORONTO. SO WHEN PEOPLE WOKE UP TO THIS STARTLING SUNRISE THIS MORNING THEY TOOK NOTICE. AND, OF COURSE, THEY HAD TO SHARE. TWITTER LOOKED MORE LIKE A PHOTO GALLERY THAN ANYTHING ELSE AND WHO COULD BLAME THEM? WE REACHED OUT TO A FEW PEOPLE FOR THEIR IMPRESSIONS ON WHAT MADE THEM STOP AND TAKE NOTICE AND THAT IS OUR “MOMENT.” (*)>>WHEN I SAW THE ORANGE SKY OUTSIDE MY WINDOW, I RAN OUTSIDE AND I HAD TO TAKE A PICTURE.>>I RAN TO THE FRONT DOOR AND I LOOKED OUT AND THE SKY WAS ABLAZE.>>I LOOKED OUTSIDE AND I WAS CONFRONTED WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL KIND OF OTHERWORLDLY COTTON CANDY SKY. THIS TIME OF YEAR I’M WAKING UP WHEN IT’S PITCH BLACK, AND I’M COMING HOME WHEN IT’S PITCH BLACK. SO TO HAVE A SUNRISE LIKE THAT IS REALLY NICE.>>IT’S A HARD SEASON FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING IN NOVEMBER AND PRETTY GREY. BEING ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING SO PRETTIY IN THE MORNING JUST KIND OF MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD.>>I SEE THE SUNRISE ALMOST EVERY DAY, BUT THIS WAS A PARTICULARLY SPECTACULAR ONE THAT PUT ME IN WILLIAMS LAKE’S ETERNITY SUNRISE.>>IT WAS CAPTIVATING AND I’M SO GRATEFUL THAT I SAW A SUNRISE LIKE THAT IN NOVEMBER.>>Ian: THOSE PICTURES ARE SPECTACULAR. SO WE ALL WORK LATE BUT, YOU GUYS, DID YOU SEE IT THIS MORNING?>>Andrew: NO.>>Adrienne: NO, NOT AT ALL. [laughter] I’M VERY GRATEFUL TO TWITTER, ACTUALLY. LOTS OF PEOPLE WERE COMMENTING TODAY THAT THE SUNRISE BRIEFLY MADE IT — ACTUALLY TWITTER WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO INHABIT. THAT’S SUCH A RARE THING.>>Andrew: I WILL SEE EVEN AFTER SEEING THE PHOTOS I’M STILL THINKING, SEE THE SUNRISE AND GET A FEW HOURS OF EXTRA SLEEP BY NOT SEEING THE SUNRISE, I THINK THAT I MADE A RIGHT DISCUSSION.>>Ian: AND, LISTEN, THERE’S ANOTHER INTERESTING THING GOING ON HERE AND THAT IS THAT WE HAVE HAD “THE MOMENT” ON THIS PROGRAMME. WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR JUST OVER TWO YEARS. AND IT GIVES US THE SPACE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A BEAUTIFUL SUNRISE IN THE CITY OF TORONTO THAT EVERYBODY STOPPED FOR A MOMENT AND MARVELED AT, EXCEPT YOU TWO GUYS. [laughter]>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR NOVEMBER 18th. GOODNIGHT.>>Adrienne: GOODNIGHT.>>Andrew: GOODNIGHT.